Learner Drivers - You may not be covered
Submitted: Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 13:55
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The Landy
Saw this article in the
Sydney Morning Herald; surprised me that you may not be covered giving learner
driver training to your children. This happened on an outback road and I'm wondering how many take the opportunity to give some
training to the kids while travelling.
SMH Article
Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:20
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:20
If the learner was doing the speed limit for a leaner
driver he probably wouldn't have a problem.
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Follow Up By: A J - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:33
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:33
Dave (NSW) - I think you are right. The paper says "high speed accident '
A J
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 16:33
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 16:33
Yeah, The guy has to take some responsibility. Insurance won't pay for stupidity.
Cheers Dave...
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 07:47
Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 07:47
The article did not say speeding. It said "high speed".
That my friends is the act of a jounalist sensationalising the facts. I'm tipping the car was doing 110 in a 110 zone (or similar) and the journo has decided he will call that "high speed" to work the story for all it is worth.
Should a learner be travelling at "high speed". Of course they should. Far better they travel at these speeds under tuition, than try it out alone once they get their licence.
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 19:00
Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 19:00
NSW learners 80k other states 90k, So you think it's alright to teach learners to do over the speed limit?
Dave...
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:29
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:29
Just rang NRMA as soon as I read your post. They stated to me that as long as a licensed
driver is sitting in the passengers
seat while instructing the learner all is ok. They don't even require the learners name on policy or anything like that. I then asked about the green slip policy (personal injury) I said so say if I had a daughter and I was teaching her to drive and we rolled and either myself or my so called daughter hurt herself (personal injury) and the vehicle was ridden off then either of us would be covered totally and the vehicle, Her answer was yes. I said so if she or myself become paralysed from
the neck down we could claim through the NRMA green slip answer was yes. Very curious to know what insurance company was involved with this person in the article and whether insurance company's have different things with there policy's in regards to personal injury. Problem is with allot of these policies is nothing is clearly stated and allot by word of mouth that to me means jack sh#t. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:38
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:38
Sorry just read it again, DER was Allianz insurance. There is also an insurance mob most of the car dealers use when you first buy a new car wont mention there name and they also do not cover at fault
driver in regards to personal injury. I know one Toyota dealership that uses them. I tried to change over to NRMA straight away in case my wife or I were injured due to an at fault injury and had to wait till the next years rego was due. Felt very uncomfortable knowing either of us were not covered for personal injury. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Waynepd (NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:39
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 14:39
Hi Landy,
I asked the questions of both my vehicle insurers when my son got his L's and the answer was identical. The licensed
driver is considered to be in control of the vehicle and therefore the L Plater is covered by the vehicle's insurance.
This is for NRMA and AAMI. The policy doesn't change until they become a P Plater and are in total solo control of the vehicle. Then the policy costs escalate dramatically as we know, ouch.
Its cheaper to buy them a crappy 3rd party property only car of their own to abuse until they are 25 than to hand them the keys your fourby IMO.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:51
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:51
Hi Wayne
This was about third party injury, not the vehicle insurance..
The article goes on to say that the NSW government is csoing
the loop hole that this insurance company, and presumably others could use.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 17:19
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 17:19
Yeh sorry I missed that point.
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:05
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:05
The article is referring to Compulsory Thrird Party Injury Insurance and has nothing to do with Vehicle Damage Insurance.
Jim.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:52
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:52
Correct...it seems some are reading it as the vehicle insurance....
Cheers
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:23
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:23
Restrictions on Insurance Policies are not something new.
Many Insurance Companies include a restriction on the age of drivers. It is often set as minimum of 25 yrs. It us up to the Insured to notify their company if someone below prescribed age is going to drive the vehicle. Onus is on owner to notify appropriate changes to policy. Some companies may not permit changes to the policy to allow parent
driver training of children. In such cases they would need to procure the
services of a professional
driver trainer.
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Reply By: The Landy - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:54
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:54
Just as a follow up to my original post...this is about third party injury claims and not vehicle claims........
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Reply By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 18:15
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 18:15
That's interesting, because when it comes to renewing CTP, I usually phone around & get a few quotes & go with the cheapest.
Having said that I stick with the majors, such as NRMA, Allianz, GIO etc.
I suppose I have always thought of it as a "necessary evil". You have just put it in perspective though!!
So, I wonder, for example, if you renewed your CTP with say, NRMA & later felt that they did not satisfy your needs, can you cancel midway through the period & renew with another insurer?
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 21:28
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 21:28
Hi Barry,
check out my reply above about changing half way through. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 22:03
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 22:03
Someone mentioned they rang their insurance company and the person indicated yes to all the questions.
That's probably all fine until you make a claim then you find out the true story or the (fine fine print). In saying that I would be like you and take them on what they say over the phone.
I had a debate over locks on
my home my insurance policy stated deadlocks and I wanted to install deadbolts
well that sent them in a bit of spin for a couple of days lol. I don't think they knew what type of locks they were. I ended up going by the written word just to be safe.
Aside from the insurance issue I wonder how the learner
driver is and how he is affected? Interesting article just the same.
Brian
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 22:24
Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 22:24
I questioned RAC about a learner
driver /other drivers
ANY license
driver is cveredwhich includes L plates (obviosly all relevent laws must be followed)
only thing is age excesses apply
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 00:34
Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 00:34
Hi Davoe and all the others,
Following all the queries and answers in this post, I checked my APIA policy.
"The insured vehicle IS NOT covered under this policy if being driven or in the control of persons under the age of twentyfive years."
I am aware of this restriction ( I had it written into the policy) and hence no one under 25 drives my vehicles. (All my offspring are
well over 25 now anyway).
My insurance is a bit less costly doing it that way.
Disco.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 06:05
Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 06:05
The article refers to personal injury claims not vehicle claims.....
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